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The '''Order of Odin''' is a shadowy organization of Scandinavian wizards that is a possible adversary of the [[Order of Hermes]]. | The '''Order of Odin''' is a shadowy organization of Scandinavian wizards that is a possible adversary of the [[Order of Hermes]]. | ||
The Order of Odin is optional (that is, it's even more optional that everything else in [[canon]]: see [[Robbies Mantra | Robbie's Mantra]]). What the sourcebooks describe are ideas and possibilities, not in-game facts. The Order of Odin is a wild card for [[troupe | troupes]] to use if they wish. | The Order of Odin is optional (that is, it's even more optional that everything else in [[canon]]: see [[Robbies Mantra | Robbie's Mantra]]). What the sourcebooks describe are ideas and possibilities, not in-game facts. The Order of Odin is a wild card for [[troupe | troupes]] to use if they wish. | ||
== The Order of Odin in Fifth Edition == | |||
The Order of Odin is mentioned in a couple of supplements: it was first mentioned in [[Guardians of the Forest]] (page 113, inset). Several options for how covenants of the [[Rhine Tribunal]] might come into contact with the Order of Odin are described.{{citation needed}} | |||
[[Hedge Magic Revised Edition]] states (page 121) that the "Order of Odin" is a term used by [[magus | magi]] to collectively refer to [[non-Hermetic]] Scandinavian wizards, but leaves open the question of whether those wizards are really organized, or how numerous and powerful they are. | |||
[[Ancient Magic]] describes (pages 134-136) the conflict in which the Order of Hermes first fought against the rune wizards they came to call the "Order of Odin". | [[Ancient Magic]] describes (pages 134-136) the conflict in which the Order of Hermes first fought against the rune wizards they came to call the "Order of Odin". | ||
[[The Lion and the Lily]] has similarly ambiguous mentions.{{citation needed}} | |||
[[The Lion and the Lily]] has similarly ambiguous mentions. | |||
[[Rival Magic]] describes the [[Muspelli]] in detail in its Chapter Four (pages 75-109), with a lot of Nordic Myth background. Pages 106-109 describe The [[Raudskinna Compact]], a Scandinavian alliance of magi of various traditions (most of which are detailed in [[HMRE]]) that in some ways parallels the Order of Hermes and may have inspired the legends about the Order of Odin. | [[Rival Magic]] describes the [[Muspelli]] in detail in its Chapter Four (pages 75-109), with a lot of Nordic Myth background. Pages 106-109 describe The [[Raudskinna Compact]], a Scandinavian alliance of magi of various traditions (most of which are detailed in [[HMRE]]) that in some ways parallels the Order of Hermes and may have inspired the legends about the Order of Odin. | ||
Several specific | Several specific [[tradition]]s are named: | ||
*The Vitkir (singular vitki), rune magicians | *The Vitkir (singular [[vitki]]), rune magicians | ||
*The Seithkonur (singular seithkona), folk | *The [[Seithr|Seithkonur]] (singular seithkona), [[folk witch]]es | ||
*The Volur (singular volva), diviners | *The Volur (singular volva), diviners | ||
*The Galdramen (singular galdraman), the Norse version of the [[mathematici]] | *The Galdramen (singular galdraman), the Norse version of the [[mathematici]] | ||
*The Trollsynir (singular trollson or trolldottir), Norse [[gruagachan]]. | *The Trollsynir (singular trollson or trolldottir), Norse [[gruagachan]]. | ||
=== | === Relations with the Order of Hermes === | ||
Rune wizards accompanied the Vikings on their invasion of Britain in the early ninth century. The most powerful of them became allies of [[Damhan-Allaidh]] and so fought against [[Pralix]] and the [[Order of Hermes]]. Thus, the Order of Odin was first encountered as an adversary. | |||
There has been little contact with the putative Order of Odin since Damhan-Alliadh was defeated. [[Ancient Magic]] says that "[m]ost magi believe the Order of Odin is dead and buried" (page 134, inset). However, [[Hedge Magic Revised Edition]] points out that "[i]t's generally accepted that the Order of Hermes is still at war with [the Order of Odin], ''should any of them reappear''" (emphasis added). | |||
[[Thrice-Told Tales]] implies these [[Vitki|vitkir]] are no longer affiliated with their ancestor to the north, and have expanded their runic alphabet. | |||
=== | === Magic of the Order of Odin === | ||
[[ | In [[Hedge Magic Revised Edition]], there are rules for a fairly powerful and flexible form of run magic whose practitioners are called [[vitki | vitkir]]. These are the same [[non-Hermetic]] wizards who are considered to be part of the "Order of Odin." However, [[HMRE]] does not rule out the possibility that the "Order of Odin" includes non-Hermetic magicians from other [[tradition | traditions]] in addition to the vitkir. | ||
====Third and Fourth Editions | |||
== The Order of Odin in Previous Editions == | |||
===Third and Fourth Editions=== | |||
The Order of Odin received similar treatment in Third and Fourth Editions: its existence was presented as a possibility, never confirmed. | The Order of Odin received similar treatment in Third and Fourth Editions: its existence was presented as a possibility, never confirmed. | ||
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[[Ultima Thule]] offers an "official" stance about its actual existence, and proposes alternate scenarios (p. 57). | [[Ultima Thule]] offers an "official" stance about its actual existence, and proposes alternate scenarios (p. 57). | ||
== | ===Second Edition=== | ||
[[Order of Hermes (book)|''The Order of Hermes'']] treats the existence of the Order of Odin as established fact (p. 58), but that has since been disregarded. | |||
== Related Topics == | == Related Topics == | ||
* [[Rune Magic]] | * [[Rune Magic]] | ||
* [[Vitki]] | * [[Vitki]] | ||
* [[Order of Solomon]] | * [[Order of Solomon]] | ||
* [[Rival Magic]] | |||
[[Category:Order of Hermes]] | [[Category:Order of Hermes]] | ||
[[Category:Hedge Magic]] | |||
[[Category:Magic Realm]] | [[Category:Magic Realm]] | ||
[[Category:ArM3]] | [[Category:ArM3]] | ||
Latest revision as of 00:11, 22 October 2017
The Order of Odin is a shadowy organization of Scandinavian wizards that is a possible adversary of the Order of Hermes.
The Order of Odin is optional (that is, it's even more optional that everything else in canon: see Robbie's Mantra). What the sourcebooks describe are ideas and possibilities, not in-game facts. The Order of Odin is a wild card for troupes to use if they wish.
The Order of Odin in Fifth Edition
The Order of Odin is mentioned in a couple of supplements: it was first mentioned in Guardians of the Forest (page 113, inset). Several options for how covenants of the Rhine Tribunal might come into contact with the Order of Odin are described.[citation needed]
Hedge Magic Revised Edition states (page 121) that the "Order of Odin" is a term used by magi to collectively refer to non-Hermetic Scandinavian wizards, but leaves open the question of whether those wizards are really organized, or how numerous and powerful they are.
Ancient Magic describes (pages 134-136) the conflict in which the Order of Hermes first fought against the rune wizards they came to call the "Order of Odin".
The Lion and the Lily has similarly ambiguous mentions.[citation needed]
Rival Magic describes the Muspelli in detail in its Chapter Four (pages 75-109), with a lot of Nordic Myth background. Pages 106-109 describe The Raudskinna Compact, a Scandinavian alliance of magi of various traditions (most of which are detailed in HMRE) that in some ways parallels the Order of Hermes and may have inspired the legends about the Order of Odin.
Several specific traditions are named:
- The Vitkir (singular vitki), rune magicians
- The Seithkonur (singular seithkona), folk witches
- The Volur (singular volva), diviners
- The Galdramen (singular galdraman), the Norse version of the mathematici
- The Trollsynir (singular trollson or trolldottir), Norse gruagachan.
Relations with the Order of Hermes
Rune wizards accompanied the Vikings on their invasion of Britain in the early ninth century. The most powerful of them became allies of Damhan-Allaidh and so fought against Pralix and the Order of Hermes. Thus, the Order of Odin was first encountered as an adversary.
There has been little contact with the putative Order of Odin since Damhan-Alliadh was defeated. Ancient Magic says that "[m]ost magi believe the Order of Odin is dead and buried" (page 134, inset). However, Hedge Magic Revised Edition points out that "[i]t's generally accepted that the Order of Hermes is still at war with [the Order of Odin], should any of them reappear" (emphasis added).
Thrice-Told Tales implies these vitkir are no longer affiliated with their ancestor to the north, and have expanded their runic alphabet.
Magic of the Order of Odin
In Hedge Magic Revised Edition, there are rules for a fairly powerful and flexible form of run magic whose practitioners are called vitkir. These are the same non-Hermetic wizards who are considered to be part of the "Order of Odin." However, HMRE does not rule out the possibility that the "Order of Odin" includes non-Hermetic magicians from other traditions in addition to the vitkir.
The Order of Odin in Previous Editions
Third and Fourth Editions
The Order of Odin received similar treatment in Third and Fourth Editions: its existence was presented as a possibility, never confirmed.
The first mention of the Order of Odin was in the Third Edition Tribunal book, Lion of the North.
Icelandic Wars, the free supplement to Land of Fire and Ice, uses the concept to great effect.
Ultima Thule offers an "official" stance about its actual existence, and proposes alternate scenarios (p. 57).
Second Edition
The Order of Hermes treats the existence of the Order of Odin as established fact (p. 58), but that has since been disregarded.