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== Version 1 ==
'''Date:''' 2008-03-16 01:20:43 GMT
'''Author:''' AndrewGronosky
'''Comment:''' Initial version
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Trademark notice: Tremere is trademark of White Wolf, Inc.
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== Version 2 ==
'''Date:''' 2008-03-25 09:56:29 GMT
'''Author:''' Yair
'''Comment:''' real initial version
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One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] [[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

===References

* Core description in [[ArM5]] [[??]]
* The House is described in great detail in [[HoHTL]] 110-143.

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'''Trademark Notice''': Tremere is trademark of White Wolf, Inc.
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== Version 3 ==
'''Date:''' 2008-04-07 23:58:04 GMT
'''Author:''' Yair
'''Comment:''' author credit
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One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] [[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

===References

* Core description in [[ArM5]] [[??]]
* The House is described in great detail in [[HoHTL]] 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]]. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].

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'''Tradema
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== Version 4 ==
'''Date:''' 2008-04-13 19:45:59 GMT
'''Author:''' Yair
'''Comment:''' added Line of Muj
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One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] [[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

===References

* Core description in [[ArM5]] [[??]]
* The House is described in great detail in [[HoHTL]] 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

 See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

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'''Trademark Notice'
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== Version 5 ==
'''Date:''' 2009-05-03 22:29:28 GMT
'''Author:''' AndrewGronosky
'''Comment:''' Added vampires
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One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] [[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

= [anchor:Vampires] House Tremere and Vampires

In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In'' Vampire: the Masquerade'' and ''Mage: the Ascension'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] - this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In Fifth Edition, the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.

[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.

It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.

["--Timothy Ferguson]

===References

res] House Tremere and Vampires

In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, giv
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== Version 6 ==
'''Date:''' 2009-08-25 22:51:42 GMT
'''Author:''' pm
'''Comment:''' House specialties
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{{toc}}

= Synopsis

One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] '''[[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]'''. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

= Specialties

While individual members of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] sometimes choose to keep rather loose connections to their respective siblings, no other [[Houses of Hermes|House]] maintains a level of organization that is as strict as the one kept among the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere. Tremere not only organize themselves strictly hierarchically on a [[Houses of Hermes|House]]-wide scope, but also cultivate a rather formal [[parens]]-[[Filius|fili{us,a}]]-relationship throughout their lives. If there is one trait that can be applied to-, one label that can be stuck on-, and one drawer that can be used to accommodate the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere as a whole, it is most probably ""control"", the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] motto being ''Voluntas vincit omnia'' (lat. ''The mind conquers all''). Although this might be considered nothing more than an unqualified allegation from members outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]], it is as likely one that members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere are unlikely to disclaim.

[[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere (actively or accidentally) maintains a reputation of being a solid stronghold in the unsteady current of the [[Hermetic]] landscape, an insular, completely self-contained corporately construct, whose secrets and treasures are available only to the members of the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] � and even then only the hardiest and most ambitious individuals are likely to quality to reach the ranks of the innermost circles. Contrary to other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] that, under certain cicrumstances, sometimes accept members from other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] into their ranks, [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere accepts no one but the ones that were raised under the cane and careful guidance of a watchful Tremere [[parens]].

The relationship of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] towards the Tremere is twofold, to say the least: on the one hand, nobody outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] really knows what kind of wind is going to blow next from [[Coeris]], bolstering the stalwart reputation of an untouchable, inbred family of remote Transylvanians. On the other hand, hardly any other [[Houses of Hermes|House]], with the notable exception of the other three [[True Lineages]], matches the unbroken rigidity [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere cultivates with regard to the continuous stability of the [[Order of Hermes]].

Members of [[House]] Tremere are (in-)famous throughout the [[Order of Hermes|Order]] for their proficiency in [[Certamen]].

= House Tremere and Vampires

""In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Vampire: the Masquerade]]'' and ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Mage: the Ascension]]'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] � this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In [[Fifth Edition]], the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.""

""[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.""

""It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.""

{{p|right|� Timothy Ferguson}}

= References

* Core description in [[ArM5]], p. '''12''', 30.
* The House is described in great detail in ''[[Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]]'' 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

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'''Trademark Notice''': Tremere is trademark of White Wolf, Inc.
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== Version 7 ==
'''Date:''' 2009-09-17 20:01:03 GMT
'''Author:''' pm
'''Comment:''' Tabular statistics added.
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|Motto:|""Voluntas vincit omnia."" (The will conquers all)|
|Symbol:|Mars incised with a square|
|[[Prima]]:|[[Poena]]|
|[[Domus Magna]]:|[[Coeris]]|

= Synopsis

One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] '''[[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]'''. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

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= Specialties

While individual members of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] sometimes choose to keep rather loose connections to their respective siblings, no other [[Houses of Hermes|House]] maintains a level of organization that is as strict as the one kept among the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere. Tremere not only organize themselves strictly hierarchically on a [[Houses of Hermes|House]]-wide scope, but also cultivate a rather formal [[parens]]-[[Filius|fili{us,a}]]-relationship throughout their lives. If there is one trait that can be applied to-, one label that can be stuck on-, and one drawer that can be used to accommodate the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere as a whole, it is most probably ""control"", the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] motto being ''Voluntas vincit omnia'' (lat. ''The mind conquers all''). Although this might be considered nothing more than an unqualified allegation from members outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]], it is as likely one that members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere are unlikely to disclaim.

[[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere (actively or accidentally) maintains a reputation of being a solid stronghold in the unsteady current of the [[Hermetic]] landscape, an insular, completely self-contained corporately construct, whose secrets and treasures are available only to the members of the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] � and even then only the hardiest and most ambitious individuals are likely to quality to reach the ranks of the innermost circles. Contrary to other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] that, under certain cicrumstances, sometimes accept members from other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] into their ranks, [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere accepts no one but the ones that were raised under the cane and careful guidance of a watchful Tremere [[parens]].

The relationship of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] towards the Tremere is twofold, to say the least: on the one hand, nobody outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] really knows what kind of wind is going to blow next from [[Coeris]], bolstering the stalwart reputation of an untouchable, inbred family of remote Transylvanians. On the other hand, hardly any other [[Houses of Hermes|House]], with the notable exception of the other three [[True Lineages]], matches the unbroken rigidity [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere cultivates with regard to the continuous stability of the [[Order of Hermes]].

Members of [[House]] Tremere are (in-)famous throughout the [[Order of Hermes|Order]] for their proficiency in [[Certamen]].

= House Tremere and Vampires

""In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Vampire: the Masquerade]]'' and ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Mage: the Ascension]]'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] � this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In [[Fifth Edition]], the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.""

""[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.""

""It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.""

{{p|right|� Timothy Ferguson}}

= References

* Core description in [[ArM5]], p. '''12''', 30.
* The House is described in great detail in ''[[Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]]'' 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

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'''Trademark Notice''': Tremere is trademark of White Wolf, Inc.
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== Version 8 ==
'''Date:''' 2009-10-12 12:46:07 GMT
'''Author:''' Yair
'''Comment:''' added house-virue contreversy
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|Motto:|""Voluntas vincit omnia."" (The will conquers all)|
|Symbol:|Mars incised with a square|
|[[Prima]]:|[[Poena]]|
|[[Domus Magna]]:|[[Coeris]]|

= Synopsis

One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] '''[[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]'''. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

{{toc}}

= Specialties

While individual members of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] sometimes choose to keep rather loose connections to their respective siblings, no other [[Houses of Hermes|House]] maintains a level of organization that is as strict as the one kept among the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere. Tremere not only organize themselves strictly hierarchically on a [[Houses of Hermes|House]]-wide scope, but also cultivate a rather formal [[parens]]-[[Filius|fili{us,a}]]-relationship throughout their lives. If there is one trait that can be applied to-, one label that can be stuck on-, and one drawer that can be used to accommodate the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere as a whole, it is most probably ""control"", the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] motto being ''Voluntas vincit omnia'' (lat. ''The mind conquers all''). Although this might be considered nothing more than an unqualified allegation from members outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]], it is as likely one that members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere are unlikely to disclaim.

[[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere (actively or accidentally) maintains a reputation of being a solid stronghold in the unsteady current of the [[Hermetic]] landscape, an insular, completely self-contained corporately construct, whose secrets and treasures are available only to the members of the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] � and even then only the hardiest and most ambitious individuals are likely to quality to reach the ranks of the innermost circles. Contrary to other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] that, under certain cicrumstances, sometimes accept members from other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] into their ranks, [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere accepts no one but the ones that were raised under the cane and careful guidance of a watchful Tremere [[parens]].

The relationship of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] towards the Tremere is twofold, to say the least: on the one hand, nobody outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] really knows what kind of wind is going to blow next from [[Coeris]], bolstering the stalwart reputation of an untouchable, inbred family of remote Transylvanians. On the other hand, hardly any other [[Houses of Hermes|House]], with the notable exception of the other three [[True Lineages]], matches the unbroken rigidity [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere cultivates with regard to the continuous stability of the [[Order of Hermes]].

Members of [[House]] Tremere are (in-)famous throughout the [[Order of Hermes|Order]] for their proficiency in [[Certamen]].

= Fifth Edition Virtue Controversy

According to the [[RAW]], all members of House Tremere receive the virtue [[Minor Magical Focus]] in [[Certamen]] as a free house virtue. Since a magus may not have two magical foci, and since foci significantly increase the magus' power within their area, the result is that Tremere magi are at a severe disadvantage as specialists. The virtue also grants them a significant advantage in Certamen, which  many fans feel would undermine the fairness of the custom so that it would be unreasonable to maintain it past the [[Sundering]].

For these reasons, many troupes choose to provide an alternative free house virtue through a [[house rule]]. Possible virtues include [[Skilled Parens]] or equivalents (the advantage of the equivalent is that it allows the magus to enjoy both the Tremre training and a skilled parens), a "Puissant Certamen" providing +3 to Certamen rolls, or allowing Tremere magi to have a second Magical Focus. Some troupes have also expanded the free house virtue of all houses, allowing magi of all houses some (limited) selection of free virtues.

The [[RAW]] situation, however, is not without its advantages. By diminishing the benefits of specialization, Tremere magi are encouraged to engage more in cooperation and team-work. While their advantage in Certamen is considerable, Wizard's War is still far more risky and violent, and a poorer reflection of magi's non-martial capacity and cunning, while a Tribunal hearing is even less immediate and simple - so it stands to reason Certamen would be accepted in Hermetic society even given the Tremere advantage, especially as the House is likely to lobby for it.

= House Tremere and Vampires

""In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Vampire: the Masquerade]]'' and ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Mage: the Ascension]]'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] � this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In [[Fifth Edition]], the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.""

""[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.""

""It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.""

{{p|right|� Timothy Ferguson}}

= References

* Core description in [[ArM5]], p. '''12''', 30.
* The House is described in great detail in ''[[Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]]'' 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

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'''Trademark Notice''': Tremere is trademark of White Wolf, Inc.
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== Version 9 ==
'''Date:''' 2009-10-17 08:22:07 GMT
'''Author:''' Yair
'''Comment:''' Flambeau multi-virtue
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|Motto:|""Voluntas vincit omnia."" (The will conquers all)|
|Symbol:|Mars incised with a square|
|[[Prima]]:|[[Poena]]|
|[[Domus Magna]]:|[[Coeris]]|

= Synopsis

One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] '''[[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]'''. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

{{toc}}

= Specialties

While individual members of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] sometimes choose to keep rather loose connections to their respective siblings, no other [[Houses of Hermes|House]] maintains a level of organization that is as strict as the one kept among the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere. Tremere not only organize themselves strictly hierarchically on a [[Houses of Hermes|House]]-wide scope, but also cultivate a rather formal [[parens]]-[[Filius|fili{us,a}]]-relationship throughout their lives. If there is one trait that can be applied to-, one label that can be stuck on-, and one drawer that can be used to accommodate the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere as a whole, it is most probably ""control"", the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] motto being ''Voluntas vincit omnia'' (lat. ''The mind conquers all''). Although this might be considered nothing more than an unqualified allegation from members outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]], it is as likely one that members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere are unlikely to disclaim.

[[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere (actively or accidentally) maintains a reputation of being a solid stronghold in the unsteady current of the [[Hermetic]] landscape, an insular, completely self-contained corporately construct, whose secrets and treasures are available only to the members of the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] � and even then only the hardiest and most ambitious individuals are likely to quality to reach the ranks of the innermost circles. Contrary to other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] that, under certain cicrumstances, sometimes accept members from other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] into their ranks, [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere accepts no one but the ones that were raised under the cane and careful guidance of a watchful Tremere [[parens]].

The relationship of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] towards the Tremere is twofold, to say the least: on the one hand, nobody outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] really knows what kind of wind is going to blow next from [[Coeris]], bolstering the stalwart reputation of an untouchable, inbred family of remote Transylvanians. On the other hand, hardly any other [[Houses of Hermes|House]], with the notable exception of the other three [[True Lineages]], matches the unbroken rigidity [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere cultivates with regard to the continuous stability of the [[Order of Hermes]].

Members of [[House]] Tremere are (in-)famous throughout the [[Order of Hermes|Order]] for their proficiency in [[Certamen]].

= Fifth Edition Virtue Controversy

According to the [[RAW]], all members of House Tremere receive the virtue [[Minor Magical Focus]] in [[Certamen]] as a free house virtue. Since a magus may not have two magical foci, and since foci significantly increase the magus' power within their area, the result is that Tremere magi are at a severe disadvantage as specialists. The virtue also grants them a significant advantage in Certamen, which  many fans feel would undermine the fairness of the custom so that it would be unreasonable to maintain it past the [[Sundering]].

For these reasons, many troupes choose to provide an alternative free house virtue through a [[house rule]]. Possible virtues include [[Skilled Parens]] or equivalents (the advantage of the equivalent is that it allows the magus to enjoy both the Tremre training and a skilled parens), a "Puissant Certamen" providing +3 to Certamen rolls, or allowing Tremere magi to have a second Magical Focus. Some troupes have also expanded the free house virtue of all houses, allowing magi of all houses some (limited) selection of free virtues (note that this is explicitly recommended for Flambeau magi, in [[HoHTL]] p.26).

The [[RAW]] situation, however, is not without its advantages. By diminishing the benefits of specialization, Tremere magi are encouraged to engage more in cooperation and team-work. While their advantage in Certamen is considerable, Wizard's War is still far more risky and violent, and a poorer reflection of magi's non-martial capacity and cunning, while a Tribunal hearing is even less immediate and simple - so it stands to reason Certamen would be accepted in Hermetic society even given the Tremere advantage, especially as the House is likely to lobby for it.

= House Tremere and Vampires

""In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Vampire: the Masquerade]]'' and ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Mage: the Ascension]]'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] � this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In [[Fifth Edition]], the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.""

""[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.""

""It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.""

{{p|right|� Timothy Ferguson}}

= References

* Core description in [[ArM5]], p. '''12''', 30.
* The House is described in great detail in ''[[Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]]'' 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

---

'''Trademark Notice''': Tremere is trademark of White Wolf, Inc.
</nowiki>
== Version 10 ==
'''Date:''' 2010-02-28 13:46:53 GMT
'''Author:''' AndrewGronosky
'''Comment:''' Formatting changes
 <nowiki>

|Motto:|""Voluntas vincit omnia."" (The will conquers all)|
|Symbol:|Mars incised with a square|
|[[Prima]]:|[[Poena]]|
|[[Domus Magna]]:|[[Coeris]]|

= Synopsis

One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] '''[[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]'''. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

{{toc}}

= Specialties

While individual members of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] sometimes choose to keep rather loose connections to their respective siblings, no other [[Houses of Hermes|House]] maintains a level of organization that is as strict as the one kept among the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere. Tremere not only organize themselves strictly hierarchically on a [[Houses of Hermes|House]]-wide scope, but also cultivate a rather formal [[parens]]-[[Filius|fili{us,a}]]-relationship throughout their lives. If there is one trait that can be applied to-, one label that can be stuck on-, and one drawer that can be used to accommodate the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere as a whole, it is most probably ""control"", the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] motto being ''Voluntas vincit omnia'' (lat. ''The mind conquers all''). Although this might be considered nothing more than an unqualified allegation from members outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]], it is as likely one that members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere are unlikely to disclaim.

[[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere (actively or accidentally) maintains a reputation of being a solid stronghold in the unsteady current of the [[Hermetic]] landscape, an insular, completely self-contained corporately construct, whose secrets and treasures are available only to the members of the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] � and even then only the hardiest and most ambitious individuals are likely to quality to reach the ranks of the innermost circles. Contrary to other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] that, under certain cicrumstances, sometimes accept members from other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] into their ranks, [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere accepts no one but the ones that were raised under the cane and careful guidance of a watchful Tremere [[parens]].

The relationship of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] towards the Tremere is twofold, to say the least: on the one hand, nobody outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] really knows what kind of wind is going to blow next from [[Coeris]], bolstering the stalwart reputation of an untouchable, inbred family of remote Transylvanians. On the other hand, hardly any other [[Houses of Hermes|House]], with the notable exception of the other three [[True Lineages]], matches the unbroken rigidity [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere cultivates with regard to the continuous stability of the [[Order of Hermes]].

Members of [[House]] Tremere are (in-)famous throughout the [[Order of Hermes|Order]] for their proficiency in [[Certamen]].

= Fifth Edition Virtue Controversy

According to the [[RAW]], all members of House Tremere receive the virtue [[Minor Magical Focus]] in [[Certamen]] as a free house virtue. Since a magus may not have two magical foci, and since foci significantly increase the magus' power within their area, the result is that Tremere magi are at a severe disadvantage as specialists. The virtue also grants them a significant advantage in Certamen, which  many fans feel would undermine the fairness of the custom so that it would be unreasonable to maintain it past the [[Sundering]].

For these reasons, many troupes choose to provide an alternative free house virtue through a [[house rule]]. Possible virtues include [[Skilled Parens]] or equivalents (the advantage of the equivalent is that it allows the magus to enjoy both the Tremre training and a skilled parens), a "Puissant Certamen" providing +3 to Certamen rolls, or allowing Tremere magi to have a second Magical Focus. Some troupes have also expanded the free house virtue of all houses, allowing magi of all houses some (limited) selection of free virtues (note that this is explicitly recommended for Flambeau magi, in [[HoHTL]] p.26).

The [[RAW]] situation, however, is not without its advantages. By diminishing the benefits of specialization, Tremere magi are encouraged to engage more in cooperation and team-work. While their advantage in Certamen is considerable, Wizard's War is still far more risky and violent, and a poorer reflection of magi's non-martial capacity and cunning, while a Tribunal hearing is even less immediate and simple - so it stands to reason Certamen would be accepted in Hermetic society even given the Tremere advantage, especially as the House is likely to lobby for it.

{{anchor|Tremere_Vampiures}}

= House Tremere and Vampires

{{quote|In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Vampire: the Masquerade]]'' and ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Mage: the Ascension]]'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] � this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In [[Fifth Edition]], the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.

[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.

It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.""

--[[Timothy Ferguson]]

}}

= References

* Core description in [[ArM5]], p. '''12''', 30.
* The House is described in great detail in ''[[Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]]'' 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

---

'''Trademark Notice''': Tremere is trademark of [[White Wolf]], Inc.
</nowiki>
== Version 11 ==
'''Date:''' 2010-03-12 22:39:14 GMT
'''Author:''' pm
'''Comment:''' Added symbol as external file
 <nowiki>

{{figure|http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/arsmagica/en/images/7/70/Tremeresymbol.jpg|Symbol of House Tremere}}

|Motto:|""Voluntas vincit omnia."" (The will conquers all)|
|Symbol:|Mars incised with a square|
|[[Prima]]:|[[Poena]]|
|[[Domus Magna]]:|[[Coeris]]|

= Synopsis

One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] '''[[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]'''. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

{{toc}}

= Specialties

While individual members of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] sometimes choose to keep rather loose connections to their respective siblings, no other [[Houses of Hermes|House]] maintains a level of organization that is as strict as the one kept among the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere. Tremere not only organize themselves strictly hierarchically on a [[Houses of Hermes|House]]-wide scope, but also cultivate a rather formal [[parens]]-[[Filius|fili{us,a}]]-relationship throughout their lives. If there is one trait that can be applied to-, one label that can be stuck on-, and one drawer that can be used to accommodate the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere as a whole, it is most probably ""control"", the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] motto being ''Voluntas vincit omnia'' (lat. ''The mind conquers all''). Although this might be considered nothing more than an unqualified allegation from members outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]], it is as likely one that members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere are unlikely to disclaim.

[[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere (actively or accidentally) maintains a reputation of being a solid stronghold in the unsteady current of the [[Hermetic]] landscape, an insular, completely self-contained corporately construct, whose secrets and treasures are available only to the members of the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] � and even then only the hardiest and most ambitious individuals are likely to quality to reach the ranks of the innermost circles. Contrary to other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] that, under certain cicrumstances, sometimes accept members from other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] into their ranks, [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere accepts no one but the ones that were raised under the cane and careful guidance of a watchful Tremere [[parens]].

The relationship of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] towards the Tremere is twofold, to say the least: on the one hand, nobody outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] really knows what kind of wind is going to blow next from [[Coeris]], bolstering the stalwart reputation of an untouchable, inbred family of remote Transylvanians. On the other hand, hardly any other [[Houses of Hermes|House]], with the notable exception of the other three [[True Lineages]], matches the unbroken rigidity [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere cultivates with regard to the continuous stability of the [[Order of Hermes]].

Members of [[House]] Tremere are (in-)famous throughout the [[Order of Hermes|Order]] for their proficiency in [[Certamen]].

= Fifth Edition Virtue Controversy

According to the [[RAW]], all members of House Tremere receive the virtue [[Minor Magical Focus]] in [[Certamen]] as a free house virtue. Since a magus may not have two magical foci, and since foci significantly increase the magus' power within their area, the result is that Tremere magi are at a severe disadvantage as specialists. The virtue also grants them a significant advantage in Certamen, which  many fans feel would undermine the fairness of the custom so that it would be unreasonable to maintain it past the [[Sundering]].

For these reasons, many troupes choose to provide an alternative free house virtue through a [[house rule]]. Possible virtues include [[Skilled Parens]] or equivalents (the advantage of the equivalent is that it allows the magus to enjoy both the Tremre training and a skilled parens), a "Puissant Certamen" providing +3 to Certamen rolls, or allowing Tremere magi to have a second Magical Focus. Some troupes have also expanded the free house virtue of all houses, allowing magi of all houses some (limited) selection of free virtues (note that this is explicitly recommended for Flambeau magi, in [[HoHTL]] p.26).

The [[RAW]] situation, however, is not without its advantages. By diminishing the benefits of specialization, Tremere magi are encouraged to engage more in cooperation and team-work. While their advantage in Certamen is considerable, Wizard's War is still far more risky and violent, and a poorer reflection of magi's non-martial capacity and cunning, while a Tribunal hearing is even less immediate and simple - so it stands to reason Certamen would be accepted in Hermetic society even given the Tremere advantage, especially as the House is likely to lobby for it.

{{anchor|Tremere_Vampiures}}

= House Tremere and Vampires

{{quote|In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Vampire: the Masquerade]]'' and ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Mage: the Ascension]]'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] � this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In [[Fifth Edition]], the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.

[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.

It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.""

--[[Timothy Ferguson]]

}}

= References

* Core description in [[ArM5]], p. '''12''', 30.
* The House is described in great detail in ''[[Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]]'' 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

---

'''Trademark Notice''': Tremere is trademark of [[White Wolf]], Inc.
</nowiki>
== Version 12 ==
'''Date:''' 2010-03-14 20:57:30 GMT
'''Author:''' AndrewGronosky
'''Comment:''' Started list of members
 <nowiki>

{{figure|http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/arsmagica/en/images/7/70/Tremeresymbol.jpg|Symbol of House Tremere}}

|Motto:|""Voluntas vincit omnia."" (The will conquers all)|
|Symbol:|Mars incised with a square|
|[[Prima]]:|[[Poena]]|
|[[Domus Magna]]:|[[Coeris]]|

= Synopsis

One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] '''[[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]'''. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

{{toc}}

= Specialties

While individual members of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] sometimes choose to keep rather loose connections to their respective siblings, no other [[Houses of Hermes|House]] maintains a level of organization that is as strict as the one kept among the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere. Tremere not only organize themselves strictly hierarchically on a [[Houses of Hermes|House]]-wide scope, but also cultivate a rather formal [[parens]]-[[Filius|fili{us,a}]]-relationship throughout their lives. If there is one trait that can be applied to-, one label that can be stuck on-, and one drawer that can be used to accommodate the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere as a whole, it is most probably ""control"", the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] motto being ''Voluntas vincit omnia'' (lat. ''The mind conquers all''). Although this might be considered nothing more than an unqualified allegation from members outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]], it is as likely one that members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere are unlikely to disclaim.

[[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere (actively or accidentally) maintains a reputation of being a solid stronghold in the unsteady current of the [[Hermetic]] landscape, an insular, completely self-contained corporately construct, whose secrets and treasures are available only to the members of the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] � and even then only the hardiest and most ambitious individuals are likely to quality to reach the ranks of the innermost circles. Contrary to other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] that, under certain cicrumstances, sometimes accept members from other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] into their ranks, [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere accepts no one but the ones that were raised under the cane and careful guidance of a watchful Tremere [[parens]].

The relationship of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] towards the Tremere is twofold, to say the least: on the one hand, nobody outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] really knows what kind of wind is going to blow next from [[Coeris]], bolstering the stalwart reputation of an untouchable, inbred family of remote Transylvanians. On the other hand, hardly any other [[Houses of Hermes|House]], with the notable exception of the other three [[True Lineages]], matches the unbroken rigidity [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere cultivates with regard to the continuous stability of the [[Order of Hermes]].

Members of [[House]] Tremere are (in-)famous throughout the [[Order of Hermes|Order]] for their proficiency in [[Certamen]].

= Members

The following Tremere magi are mentioned in various Ars Magica [[products|supplements]]:

* [[Tremere the Founder]]
* Stentorius ([[GotF]] page 84); see [[Fengheld]]

= Fifth Edition Virtue Controversy

According to the [[RAW]], all members of House Tremere receive the virtue [[Minor Magical Focus]] in [[Certamen]] as a free house virtue. Since a magus may not have two magical foci, and since foci significantly increase the magus' power within their area, the result is that Tremere magi are at a severe disadvantage as specialists. The virtue also grants them a significant advantage in Certamen, which  many fans feel would undermine the fairness of the custom so that it would be unreasonable to maintain it past the [[Sundering]].

For these reasons, many troupes choose to provide an alternative free house virtue through a [[house rule]]. Possible virtues include [[Skilled Parens]] or equivalents (the advantage of the equivalent is that it allows the magus to enjoy both the Tremre training and a skilled parens), a "Puissant Certamen" providing +3 to Certamen rolls, or allowing Tremere magi to have a second Magical Focus. Some troupes have also expanded the free house virtue of all houses, allowing magi of all houses some (limited) selection of free virtues (note that this is explicitly recommended for Flambeau magi, in [[HoHTL]] p.26).

The [[RAW]] situation, however, is not without its advantages. By diminishing the benefits of specialization, Tremere magi are encouraged to engage more in cooperation and team-work. While their advantage in Certamen is considerable, Wizard's War is still far more risky and violent, and a poorer reflection of magi's non-martial capacity and cunning, while a Tribunal hearing is even less immediate and simple - so it stands to reason Certamen would be accepted in Hermetic society even given the Tremere advantage, especially as the House is likely to lobby for it.

{{anchor|Tremere_Vampiures}}

= House Tremere and Vampires

{{quote|In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Vampire: the Masquerade]]'' and ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Mage: the Ascension]]'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] � this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In [[Fifth Edition]], the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.

[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.

It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.""

--[[Timothy Ferguson]]

}}

= References

* Core description in [[ArM5]], p. '''12''', 30.
* The House is described in great detail in ''[[Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]]'' 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

---

'''Trademark Notice''': Tremere is trademark of [[White Wolf]], Inc.
</nowiki>
== Version 13 ==
'''Date:''' 2010-03-14 21:02:39 GMT
'''Author:''' AndrewGronosky
'''Comment:''' Added some members
 <nowiki>

{{figure|http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/arsmagica/en/images/7/70/Tremeresymbol.jpg|Symbol of House Tremere}}

|Motto:|""Voluntas vincit omnia."" (The will conquers all)|
|Symbol:|Mars incised with a square|
|[[Prima]]:|[[Poena]]|
|[[Domus Magna]]:|[[Coeris]]|

= Synopsis

One of the twelve [[House|Houses]] of the [[Order of Hermes]], a [[True Lineage|true lineage]] of the [[Founder]] '''[[Tremere the Founder|Tremere]]'''. Tremere magi gather a few days before Tribunal, and every ten years in [[Coeris]]; they also hold [[Ceremonies of Welcome]] and funerals for their Housemates; [[HoHTL]] 116.

{{toc}}

= Specialties

While individual members of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] sometimes choose to keep rather loose connections to their respective siblings, no other [[Houses of Hermes|House]] maintains a level of organization that is as strict as the one kept among the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere. Tremere not only organize themselves strictly hierarchically on a [[Houses of Hermes|House]]-wide scope, but also cultivate a rather formal [[parens]]-[[Filius|fili{us,a}]]-relationship throughout their lives. If there is one trait that can be applied to-, one label that can be stuck on-, and one drawer that can be used to accommodate the members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere as a whole, it is most probably ""control"", the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] motto being ''Voluntas vincit omnia'' (lat. ''The mind conquers all''). Although this might be considered nothing more than an unqualified allegation from members outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]], it is as likely one that members of [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere are unlikely to disclaim.

[[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere (actively or accidentally) maintains a reputation of being a solid stronghold in the unsteady current of the [[Hermetic]] landscape, an insular, completely self-contained corporately construct, whose secrets and treasures are available only to the members of the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] � and even then only the hardiest and most ambitious individuals are likely to quality to reach the ranks of the innermost circles. Contrary to other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] that, under certain cicrumstances, sometimes accept members from other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] into their ranks, [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere accepts no one but the ones that were raised under the cane and careful guidance of a watchful Tremere [[parens]].

The relationship of other [[Houses of Hermes|Houses]] towards the Tremere is twofold, to say the least: on the one hand, nobody outside the [[Houses of Hermes|House]] really knows what kind of wind is going to blow next from [[Coeris]], bolstering the stalwart reputation of an untouchable, inbred family of remote Transylvanians. On the other hand, hardly any other [[Houses of Hermes|House]], with the notable exception of the other three [[True Lineages]], matches the unbroken rigidity [[Houses of Hermes|House]] Tremere cultivates with regard to the continuous stability of the [[Order of Hermes]].

Members of [[House]] Tremere are (in-)famous throughout the [[Order of Hermes|Order]] for their proficiency in [[Certamen]].

= Members

The following Tremere magi are mentioned in various Ars Magica [[products|supplements]]:

== Living Members ==

* [[Poena]]
* Stentorius (see [[Fengheld]]): [[GotF]] page 84

== Famous Members (deceased) ==

* [[Tremere the Founder]]
* Cercistum: [[HoHTL]] page 110

= Fifth Edition Virtue Controversy

According to the [[RAW]], all members of House Tremere receive the virtue [[Minor Magical Focus]] in [[Certamen]] as a free house virtue. Since a magus may not have two magical foci, and since foci significantly increase the magus' power within their area, the result is that Tremere magi are at a severe disadvantage as specialists. The virtue also grants them a significant advantage in Certamen, which  many fans feel would undermine the fairness of the custom so that it would be unreasonable to maintain it past the [[Sundering]].

For these reasons, many troupes choose to provide an alternative free house virtue through a [[house rule]]. Possible virtues include [[Skilled Parens]] or equivalents (the advantage of the equivalent is that it allows the magus to enjoy both the Tremre training and a skilled parens), a "Puissant Certamen" providing +3 to Certamen rolls, or allowing Tremere magi to have a second Magical Focus. Some troupes have also expanded the free house virtue of all houses, allowing magi of all houses some (limited) selection of free virtues (note that this is explicitly recommended for Flambeau magi, in [[HoHTL]] p.26).

The [[RAW]] situation, however, is not without its advantages. By diminishing the benefits of specialization, Tremere magi are encouraged to engage more in cooperation and team-work. While their advantage in Certamen is considerable, Wizard's War is still far more risky and violent, and a poorer reflection of magi's non-martial capacity and cunning, while a Tribunal hearing is even less immediate and simple - so it stands to reason Certamen would be accepted in Hermetic society even given the Tremere advantage, especially as the House is likely to lobby for it.

{{anchor|Tremere_Vampiures}}

= House Tremere and Vampires

{{quote|In earlier editions of the game, House Tremere had vampiric members. This was given as a rumour in Second Edition, confirmed in Third, and explored a little in the Fourth. At fullest flower the idea included statistics for vampires, given in [[Medieval Bestiary Revised Edition | The Medieval Bestiary: Revised Edition]], a note that they had been destroyed in [[Houses of Hermes Book | Houses of Hermes]], and an origin story foreshadowing their return in [[Triamore | Triamore: the Covenant at Lucien's Folly]]. In ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Vampire: the Masquerade]]'' and ''[[http://www.white-wolf.com/|Mage: the Ascension]]'' - games published by Ars Magica's [[White Wolf | then-owner]] � this link was developed further. In these games, Clan Tremere was a faction of sorcerer-vampires. In [[Fifth Edition]], the Tremere Vampires were removed from the setting.

[[Timothy Ferguson | I]] was the author for the Tremere section of [[Houses of Hermes True Lineages | Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]], but this [[FAQ]] isn't the place to justify the change in detail. At its simplest, the vampires had consumed the identity of the House, moving from a plot hook to a defining concept. They obscured many other ideas I had for possible stories, and created problems for other writers. The previous version of the House was evil, expansionist and militant, and so it forced them to design their characters as a response to the obvious threat the House posed to the [[Order of Hermes | Order]]. House of Hermes: True Lineages was an opportunity to reimagine the four Houses it included, and so it seemed the right place to move beyond the Vampiric Tremere.

It's not correct to say that the Tremere have no connection with vampires in the [[Fifth Edition | new edition]]. House Tremere's power is still centred in Transylvania, which as a Slavic country has many [[Faerie | faeries]] which are vampires, and more than its fair share of animated dead who drink blood. Those native creatures that can be subverted to the causes of the House have been. Those which cannot be, or should not be, are destroyed. This makes the Tremere relationship to vampires complicated, but some elements of it have been discussed in HoH:TL.""

--[[Timothy Ferguson]]

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= References

* Core description in [[ArM5]], p. '''12''', 30.
* The House is described in great detail in ''[[Houses of Hermes: True Lineages]]'' 110-143. This description was written by [[Timothy Ferguson]].
* See also [[Line of Muj|The Line of Muj]].

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